There’s also been many who have claimed to be more powerful than Vader, who in reality, aren’t. Vader would have defeated Obi Wan had he managed to keep a clear head and control his rage. He was eventually betrayed and killed by his last, Vader, at the end of Return of the Jedi . Bloodline does matter, but it’s not everything. After the events of Return of the Jedi , it's a safe bet that Luke became even more powerful than Vader and would've been able to overpower Vader with even more ease if he needed to. His defeat on the planet Naboo by Darth Maul was proof of this. As far as most people seemed to understand, Darth Vader to them was a god. Servants of the dark side, both Darth Maul and Darth Vader became deadly and powerful Sith. Defeated and killed Kirak Infil’a and Eeth Koth. “There is no escape. Darth Sidious was always stronger than Vader, which is why he ruled over him for almost 20 years and turned him into the Sith Lord he was. Dooku’s desire to be a Count was his undoing. A former Jedi who fell to the Dark Side, Exar Kuhn gained his lust for power through the spirit of Freedon Nadd (A Sith Lord in Legends). Snoke was powerful, but fans were never shown how strong he actually was. If Revan had somehow been able to keep his memories, he would have become more of a Legend than he already is. He pitted his enemies against one another, leaving only a handful to be defeated by his own hand. Old Ben was much more in-tune with the force and knew what path he needed to take for their second battle. Missed interference call sets up huge Brady TD pass Dark Lord of the Sith and Prodigal Knight in Legends, Revan comes close to the power of being able to defeat Darth Vader. Darth Sidious was always stronger than Vader, which is why he ruled over him for almost 20 years and turned him into the Sith Lord he … Unable to finish the ritual, his spirit remained trapped on Yavin 4 for several thousand years. Even after losing his body, Lord Vitiate continued to plague the galaxy in spirit and through the minds of those who sought to defeat him as Valkorion. His battle against the Jedi was known as the Hundred-Year Darkness. Well, now we know who’s the stronger of the two. Darth Vader has been voted the greatest 'Star Wars' villain of all time by readers of RadioTimes.com. He battled briefly with Qui-Gon Jinn, the Queen’s Jedi escort, but could not reach his target.Later, Maul waited for Amidala on Naboo, where he dueled with Qui-Gon and his apprentice, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Held the upper hand on Ahsoka Tano on Malachor. Darth Vader has been voted the greatest 'Star Wars' villain of all time by readers of RadioTimes.com. [27] Darth Sidious chose Anakin for these reasons, knowing Vader would become a powerful tool in his Empire to come. This is also the case with Darth Maul. StarWars.com. There were few who could even challenge him, let alone end up defeating Vader in a battle. **New Episodes Every Wednesday! Hypothetically, I would say Ahsoka grew stronger than Vader over time, it just can’t be proven. He would rule as Emperor of the Sith for several hundred years, taking on the title of most powerful Sith Lord to ever exist in Star Wars Legends history. Once the prize Jedi Anakin Skywalker, Darth Vader was born out of hate, jealousy, rage, selfishness, and ego. Seemingly dead, the world forgot about him. He defeated the grand inquisitor with ease. Things didn’t go as planned, and The Father was forced to sacrifice himself to maintain a temporary balance in the galaxy. Kate Hudson: 'I've got kids all over the place' Watch: UCLA gymnast stuns in powerful routine. [26] He returned more than 30 years later in The Rise of Skywalker , having managed to cheat death through powerful mastery of the dark side of the Force. Kylo Ren is a f@g. 2 0. Darth Maul was more beast than Sith Lord,  a fact which sadly held him back, despite giving him a second chance at life. Initiating the Rule of Two, Darth Bane would go down in history as one of the strongest Sith Lord leaders. You have only begun to discover your power. For years, Palpatine groomed and molded Anakin Skywalker towards becoming the one of the strongest Sith Lords to rule over the galaxy. Afraid of losing her life due to her own mortality, Abeloth drank from the Font of Power. Darth Maul was cool, if only they explained him in the least bit other then "he is skilled". Sponsored content. Beloved Queen of the Stars and the Bringer of Chaos in Legends, Abeloth was once mortal who became The Mother. Without Plagueis, there is no Sidious — and without Sidious, there is no Darth Vader. Darth Vader beat the Emperor in the end, using one of his own tactics he witnessed decades before with Mace Windu. Since they killed off Darth Maul before Vader existed, the point is moot. Galen was secretly trained as a Sith Lord apprentice to Vader but returned to the light side and the Jedi. "May the Schwartz be with You" darth maul was bread to be a sith from palpatine ever since he was a little kid, all the black marks on his face are all sith tatoos. Darth Maul vs Darth Vader Thread starter Sanguíne Symphony; Start ... TCW or Clone Maul was able to nearly beat ANH Vader whose stronger then RoTS Anakin (pre-Mustafar) ... No version of Obi-Wan is stronger then Maul at his best or Dooku, so I'm not really seeing the need for your issue here.. TJTheDuelist Member. Throughout the histories of Star Wars Legend and Canon, there have been a few individuals to exist who are stronger than Darth Vader. Unlike The Father, Son, and Daughter, Abeloth continued to age while she kept the peace over her waring immortal family. who was the greater Jedi: Qui-Gon Jinn or Obi-Wan Kenobi? Thanks to his vast knowledge of Vader’s fighting tactics through the many hours they trained together. The only way Darth Sidious knew he was guaranteed a victory over Plagueis was if he took him out in his sleep. The poll was released shortly after Dave Prowse - who played Darth Vader in the original 'Star Wars' trilogy - died aged 85. While not being as strong as Darth Vader, Qui-Gon Jinn played a major role in future events to come. His lightsaber skills were top-notch, but he lacked the mentality to become a true Sith Lord. When Kuhn was later cornered on Yavin 4 he attempted to set his spirit free prior to his bodies passing. In recent years, much of Darth Vader’s exploits and tales have become Star Wars Canon. Talk about an unfair fight. During the two on one battle, Savage Opress was defeated by Sidious after becoming separated from Maul. Ultimately, Vader would have likely won the battle, much like Sidious did on Coruscant. Luke, you do not yet realize your importance. And Darth Vader defeated Obi Wan. Even Luke lost a portion of his body (less than Maul or Vader, but still the principle applies) and yet his force capabilities increased a hundredfold after the events of Episode VI. Without Qui-Gon Jinn, Luke may have never been able to make the final shot to destroy the Death Star in A New Hope. The techniques he used in The Last Jedi were common play compared to other Sith Lords in Star Wars history. Boba Fett Vs. Darth Vader At its absolute best, the discussion of Boba Fett versus Darth Vader is not even a Star Wars discussion. Darth Vader defeated Obi-Wan in A New Hope, but it’s because Kenobi let him. He was still the apprentice of Darth Sidious. Leader of the Dark Jedi, Ajunta Pall conquered Sith civilization and is known in Legends as being the very first Dark Lord of the Sith. At 5/28/05 11:44 PM, mighty_potato wrote: Darth Maul was not a Sith Lord like Vader was. An embodiment of the Force, The Father kept his children Son (Dark Side) and Daughter (Light Side) in balance with the galaxy. He never stood a chance of becoming a true apprentice. Vader and Maul are both startlingly strong with the Dark Side of the Force and are incredibly deadly fighters. May 30, 2016 The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. However, as Alex Damon from Star Wars Explained points out, Luke was shown through the Legends book Splinter of the Minds Eye to progress at the same rate as Rey. Danny is a gamer and writer in the Orlando area. 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Approximately a millennium before the Invasion of Naboo, the Sith nearly went extinct because of their infighting. A Sith Master was any member of the Sith sect who instructed an apprentice in the ways of the dark side of the Force. He was finally unleashed by his Master, Darth Sidious, in an assassination attempt on Queen Amidala on the outskirts of Tatooine. Darth Vader did fight Darth Maul. Join me and I will complete your training. Apparently the cyborg body doesn't react as well as his human body did. Darth Maul longed for revenge against the Jedi. Despite his tremendous powers, Vader was not the strongest Sith to ever live. Savage would eventually become the apprentice to his brother in arms Darth Maul. Darth Vader and Darth Maul will reportedly cross paths in Obi-Wan as they hunt for the title hero, and will even end up fighting. Luke’s good soul overcomes the Dark Side in Darth Vader, who then dies to save his son. If she continues to grow and is trained by Luke Skywalker’s force ghost, Rey has the potential to become stronger than Vader was. Darth Maul and Savage Opress caught the eye of Darth Sidious, who quickly stepped in to foil their plans. Vader led the purge of the Jedi Order and acted as the Emperor’s enforcer during the reign of the Empire. Palpatine achieved his strength and power as Darth Sidious because of Darth Plagueis’ lessons and teachings. Do not underestimate the power of Obi-Wan Kenobi, for he was likely as strong, if not stronger, than Mace Windu. His fighting skills were above average but nothing to write home about. Taking strength from the teachings of Darth Revan, Darth Bane wiped out the Brotherhood of Darkness about a thousand years before the events of The Phantom Menace. It should be noted, however, his teachings as a Sith would get passed down for many years to come. He was influential in turning several of Luke’s apprentices to the Dark Side before having his spirit banished off the planet. Because we lack any further information on Snoke, his powers as shown in Canon fall short of Darth Vader’s ultimate strength. But only after determining he was going to lose. Maul was defeated by Obi-Wan Kenobi twice and lost a lightsaber battle against Darth Sidious too (with Savage Opress fighting by his side). Huw Fullerton, RadioTimes.com’s sci-fi and fantasy editor, said: "Never underestimate the power of the Dark Side. Nihilus would eventually fall to a Mandalorian task force with his spirit attached to his Sith armor. Created by Mother Talzin and the Nightsisters, Savage Opress first served Nightsister Asajj Ventress as she sought to take revenge against her old master Count Dooku. They were first apprentices of The Sith Triumvirate with Nihilus known as the Lord of Hunger. darth vader is probably one of the greatest bad guys ever created, in my opinion anyway! "Over 40 years… Inventor of the double-bladed lightsaber, Kuhn is famously known for terminating Supreme Chancellor Sidrona. It would be his teachings which would eventually influence Darth Plagueis and later Darth Sidious and Darth Vader. I'm not aware of Darth Vader ever having lost a fight (since becoming a sith) - his death was a self sacrifice, not a defeat - and he killed The Emperor, Darth Sidious in the process. Vader is more machine than man. The only thing holding Revan back is what others have done to him. According to Kreia in Legends, Tulak Hord “was the greatest lightsaber duelist of the Sith Lords.” His power during his time in the dark arts of the force was unmatched, and his rule feared by all. While strong in the dark side of the force, Savage Opress never had the opportunity to become a true Sith Lord. ... 3:47 pm. Now that you’ve voted for who was more powerful between these two villains, why not make your pick for who was the greater Jedi: Qui-Gon Jinn or Obi-Wan Kenobi? The original Star Wars trilogy captured the imagination of audiences like no movies before it ever had, thanks in large part to the terrifying presence of its iconic villain, Darth Vader. ? After his passing, he was buried in the Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban where his force ghost lived on, trapped within the tomb. Because The Father sacrificed himself, Anakin was able to win the battle without fully going over to the Dark Side. From then on, he wasn’t as strong as the Emperor – he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku." Star Wars fans keep in mind that Vader and Maul have squared off before in a non-canon fight, and despite his vicious nature, Maul was defeated. Like Darth Sidious, Marka Ragnos was a superb manipulator and tactician. Vader led the purge of the Jedi Order and acted as the Emperor’s enforcer during the reign of the Empire. Their evil acts were many: Maul destroyed Qui-Gon Jinn and later defeated Pre Vizsla to capture the fabled Darksaber. Yet, this handicap must be taken into consideration. Servants of the dark side, both Darth Maul and Darth Vader became deadly and powerful Sith. See who thinks would win! In the end, Marek sacrificed his own life at the hand of Sidious, so the original Rebellion leaders could escape imprisonment. have to be a bit of vader. Darth Vader is one of the strongest characters in the Star Wars universe, but there are people bigger and badder. Thanks to Jinn’s spiritual Jedi strength, he learned how to become a force ghost in the afterlife. Upon doing so, she ceased to become The Mother and turned into a twisted evil being known as Abeloth. Much like Mace Windu and Ahsoka Tano, Mara Jade was able to balance both the light and dark side of the force. Without the interference of The Father, The Son would have defeated Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. As wife to Luke, she complimented his fighting style and the two were a force to be reckoned with. In Star Wars Legends and Canon, Galen Marek (Starkiller) is the only Jedi other than Obi-Wan Kenobi to put a beat down on Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. However, once Luke fully embraced his power in Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, he proved that he was indeed stronger than Darth Vader and struck his father down. Once he determined Luke could defeat him by giving in to the dark side, he reverted to the old bait and switch maneuver Palpatine used on Windu to defeat Sidious once and for all. Lv 7. This. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on December 16th 2020, 7:37 pm him being stronger than krayt/hett puts him leagues above any of them, so its fine. There is a possibility where Yoda could have defeated Darth Vader, but the opportunity never presented itself, so we’ll never know. This doesn’t make him weak by any means. : The 10 Best Boss Monsters In The Game's History, Ranked, PS5: The 5 Best New Games On The Next-Gen Console (And The 5 Worst). Her fight with Vader in Star Wars Rebels was darn close to a draw, and sadly, the two never crossed paths again to settle the debate. Don’t make me destroy you. He is the only Sith Lord in Star Wars history to pass away of natural causes. And they’re right, for the most part. Despite Andy Serkis’ claims, Snoke isn’t the same strength as Darth Vader or Darth Sidious. As a Jedi who could controllably tap into the dark side of the force, Windu was a warrior not to be taken lightly. but, darth vader is a very smart person and found and killed a lot of jedi in between the 3rd and 4th movies, which led to making the empire more powerful. But if they found a way to bring Darth Maul back to face Darth Vader, it would depend on the when. Despite her initial strength, Rey is not strong enough to surpass Darth Vader, yet. Darth Maul may be a fan favorite, but he could never be stronger than Darth Vader. Despite his loss (which was really a win), Obi-Wan Kenobi defeated Anakin as Vader, before he became mostly machine in Revenge of the Sith. Vader killed Darth Maul. Darth Vader is the chozen one, the second most powerful user of the force (maybe, don't know about Yoda), and awesome looking. The iconic sci-fi character topped the list of the franchise's greatest villains, securing 33 percent of the overall vote. Instead, it goes to show how truly vast the Star Wars Universe really is. Remembered as the Lord of Hate and Master of the Gathering Darkness, Tulak Hord inspired the design of Darth Vaders all-black appearance. One is tall, dark and deadly, and the other's, well, not. Darth Tyranus, Count Dooku, never stood a chance against Anakin nor what he would become. With our combined strength, we can end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy.” — Darth Vader in Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back. Mace Windu, thanks to the movies, often gets shafted regarding his powers and strengths. Luke Skywalker’s true-to-form goodness was what ended up overpowering Darth Vader. Yet, Vader (Anakin) was always tactically gifted. Darth Vader has been named the best Star Wars villain of all time in a new RadioTimes.com poll which saw over 10,000 votes cast as fans picked their favourite baddie from a galaxy far, far away. A double bladed lightsaber, cool robot legs, and no hatred for sand are all reasons why Maul is the far better and stronger Sith than Darth Vader. Connect with Danny on Twitter and Instagram @Dannyspacecoast. Unfortunately for Darth Maul, Darth Vader is the chosen one of the force. Today on Variant Arris puts Darth Vader against Darth Maul. Darth Vader was a master duelist, a tyrant, and an expert in the Force. Yoda is a skilled fighter, as seen during his battle with Darth Sidious in Revenge of the Sith. Tyranus thought himself to be better than others because of his bloodline and birthright. The facts, however, strongly support her being “not quite” strong enough to beat Darth Vader. Qui-Gon Jinn was a powerful Jedi, spiritually. As per his own rules, Bane was destroyed by his apprentice once he became to weak to rule any longer. The potential, however, is still there. 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