Round 1) Dooku. Nobody progresses or regresses. Something that Maul never learned from him. The two never got to face one another. Sure. In the movies Dooku and Maul are going to win. It doesn't trump the latter either for that very reason. Discussion in 'EU Community' started by Delta_36, Jul 4, 2005. Yeah I was worried that Filloni's influence would of had Ashoka take over too much as it seems he wants her to be the new SW main character but if her role was small and not overwhelming and they gave some much needed respect back to Luke than I hope this either retcons the Sequels or at least means they will focus on an alternate timeline that takes more from the Old EU instead. The fight between Yoda and Dooku showed Dooku to be an impressive fighter capable of actions beyond his years, but it was hard to compete with the Maul vs Obi-Wan and Qui-Gonn fight from the end of The Phantom Menace. If Count Dooku and Darth Maul fought a lightsaber duel between eachother, who would come out on top? I would have to check the Plagueis novel which right now I don't have with me. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > ... dooku. The two never got to face one another. NEXT: Star Wars: 5 Times We Felt Bad For Hux (& 5 Times We Hated Him), All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. We’ve compared them below. DARTH MAUL WAS THE BEST: He Evaded Death In The Clone Wars. Maul is an aggressive, acrobatic warrior who charges his enemies, Dooku is much more laid-back and suave. You must log in or register to reply here. I don't think Vader is literally sub TPM Kenobi but I'd say he's definitely weaker than Dooku. A one-stop shop for all things video games. Ever. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Although, I'm not trying to prove that Grievous is somehow more skilled then Maul, just that the gap in skill is not as big as you are trying to paint it and Grievous could put up a fight without geting stomped in blade exchange. And even if Maul's lightsaber skills have developed enough to fight on equal footing with Dooku (which I doubt they have since Dooku is powerful enough to rival Yoda himself) Dooku would pull off the win with his knowledge of the force and end up turning it around Darth Maul was a horned, tattooed Dathomirian Zabrak whose double-ended lightsaber didn’t help much when he was killed off at the end of The Phantom Menace. Especially in light of the fact Sidious never valued Dooku like Plagueis did. Yoda fights off Dark Side temptations, Anakin kills Dooku, and Palpatine and Yoda have a great battle, with Anakin also getting in some great swipes at Sidious. Explains why Vader is above Sidious and Ventress is even on the list to begin with. it was designed for that type of fight. And a series of huge slashes and quick manoeuvers?… Sidious wen't far enough to teach Dooku things like Force Lightning and Sith Magic. No matter how cool Maul looked, it’s hard to compete with Dooku. As a duelist he, Keep in mind Count Dooku even resorted to. Dooku was casually Force-choked by Sidious across the galaxy, and was incapable of doing anything to actually make him stop, until Sidious cut the link. First, lets analyse each contestant force powers and skill with a lighsaber. After Maul's seeming demise and twelve year absence came fallen Jedi and Count of Serenno, Dooku, who adopted the name Darth Tyranus. Yes, I was talking about disney canon, I thought this is obvious after the discussion of the first page. Yes. Your claiming that because Maul casually held off Grievous then TK'd him out of the tower's window so he eventually came back when Talzin intentionally sacrificed herself for Maul to escape proves that Grievous is a match for Maul as a duelist? I never said anything about Windu. 4 Maul & Savage Opress Vs. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Shiro Jedi Youngling. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Round 2) Close call, but still Dooku. Up to this point in Star Wars, the two Sith we had met were both humans. Makashi's shallow slices aren't going to affect him either due to his durability. It proves that Grievaus is good enough to hold his own and Maul's force push is not enough to finish him. They are undoubtedly close. Every single statement from Sidious indicates Maul was always intended to be his successor and heir prior to his apparent "demise" at the end of Episode 1. This is not an easy question. As for your statement that Talzin somehow stalemated Sidious in lightning lock it's not even true. Maul and Dooku win this easily. Where is the evidence Talzin is not a natural Force-User? In the trailer, Lucasfilm decided to show fans Maul’s double-ended lightsaber and ruin the goosebump-inducing reveal in the film, which was odd. Are you one of those crazies who think some dark sider is always getting a magic force boost from a planet at all times too? This allows us to build up much more of a connection to Dooku in the film series. If only all of the sequels were like this. Since, unless canon changes, the idea that Lucas put forward was that Dooku was kind of a fallback plan because Sidious didn't have time to raise another apprentice from childhood. That being said Maul is a very..very awesome DPS but as you know very fragile. And also beyond that, Sidious did highly value Maul while Dooku was always ever seen as a stop-gap temporary expendable apprentice until he got Anakin; where as he rationalized losing Maul was a huge blow which directly contradicts your claim Maul was only ever seen as a "weapon". Maul was a warrior of supreme skill. Though he supposedly died on Naboo at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he resurfaced years later, having survived through his sheer hatred. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass. As for Legends I'd back Dooku. Complete combat Darth Sidious Vs Darth Vader,Darth Maul,and Count Dooku. Yes, he was defeated by Obi Wan but that was mostly due to his arrogance, and he learned his lesson through his suffering. Unless I see a definitive statement that it's about skill I consider it not clear. Sabers - Dooku, 6-7/10. Technical skill 4. It pits both Darth Maul and Count Dooku from Star Wars. Basic raw power 2. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Yoda VS Sidious is a stalemate, slight advantage to Yoda if the environment doesn't have a lot of junk for Sidious to throw around with the Force. Windy VS Dooku … Dooku beat Obi Wan. I was already pleasantly surprised they brought back Boba and even had Temura Morrison play him so I am hoping they just ditch the sequels and give us real long time SW fans some needed quality and not that pathetic cheap ass attempt involved with the Sequels. Also Shadow Hunter novelization outright STATES Maul was always intended to be Sidious' successor: Nothing to do with popularity. Killed Oppress easily enough, and when he got tired of sabers, he had Maul on the ground begging for mercy after he threw him into the wall and the ground. Sheev/Dooku vs Talzin/Maul = Talzin put entirely on the defensive to a point where she stops getting Maul to help and throws him away so he lives You could argue outlier or whatever, but if you're accepting that it was power vs power, then in that instance Dooku looks much better than Maul. The go-to source for comic book and superhero movie fans. Discussion in 'Attack of the Clones' started by Shiro, Jul 23, 2004. Specifically in regards to swordsmanship. They were both performing it. He proved not to be. While fans who are only interested in the films would say that Maul died at the end of The Phantom Menace and that was the end of it, he canonically survived. Even in the Clone Wars show Dooku always had the advantage even in two on one situations vs Anakin and Obi where as Obi and Maul looked even. Solo; Rogue One; The Clone Wars; Rebels; Resistance; The Mandalorian; Untitled Cassian Andor television series and Plagueis doesn't care about breaking the rule of two for him, clearly implying that he didn't see him as a threat. This created a very interesting dynamic in which Dooku was fighting against those who were once his closest allies. In the Clone Wars, when Dooku was fighting against Savage Opress (Maul's younger brother and someone who, like Maul uses a double-bladed lightsaber) he trumped him in Force, but every time it came down to lightsaber combat, Dooku … However, there's an exception in one of the saga's more interesting antagonists with Count Dooku. If you really want to use Maul you may be able to pull it off with 2 healers but most players will gun him down quickly making it a 4 vs 5 in the first turn. Maul's a bad match for Dooku, even though overall Dooku is the better swordsman. Irrelevant. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on November 17th 2020, 3:56 pm "vader's military power made sedriss and kar vastor shit their pants more than they even shat their pants" - phantom menace. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. 3. Which canon? Count Dooku was always going to be a familiar face in The Clone Wars as we knew he was alive throughout. Oh you mean like how Darth Vader did give Dooku the fight of his life (and killed him) then lost to Kenobi? Honestly going by Lucas's statements Dooku VS Vader AND Maul might be more a fair fight. Dooku's fighting style is based on technical skill and remaining emotionless. The same pirates that shut off Maul's mechanical leg and forced him to run away. Windy VS Dooku I think Windu wins semi-comfortably. Dooku is leagues above Maul Force wise. Kapeesh? I can say with confidence, absolutely not. Not to mention Dooku is a coward Maul and Dooku are, at the very least equals. Welcome to the forums! Yeah. Dooku looked like Christopher Lee, because, well, he was played by Christopher Lee. Kenobi VS Maul can go both ways, Maul usually took the advantage in their Clone War duels. JavaScript is disabled. 1 Description 2 Interlude 3 Pre Fight 4 HERE WE GO! Despite Maul being a better fighter to watch, he obviously didn’t have the same skill level and control of the force as Count Dooku. Dooku easily. So it only makes sense that they are stronger there. Maul because his greatest strength is Dooku's greatest weakness: rage. This is … deltaniner Primera Espada. When The Phantom Menace was announced, fans were understandably thrilled by the prospect of new Star Wars films. Round 4 I actually think Maul might take this one now that I've been thinking about it. When Dooku died, he was gone for good. So for now let's say I'll come back to it later. Two seconds after realizing Maul had more important things to do, he casually TK'd Grievous out of the window of the tower and put an end to their duel: You are grasping at straws here. Darth Maul wanted to kill Anakin before everyone else did. 5 Conclusion Star Wars vs Star Wars! Take a second to look at our. Dooku's powers are expanded upon, as he wins or stalemates numerous fights, even against multiple opponents. Round 5 Force Battle Sidious wins fairly handily. When it comes to Star Wars, most of the Sith Lords from the prequel trilogy retain the title of "Darth," from Sidious, to Maul, to Vader.. The fight was inconclusive, thats all. 77. Maul could give Dooku the fight off his life, but he still won't beat Kenobi. I don't think Vader is literally sub TPM Kenobi but I'd say he's definitely weaker than Dooku. Dooku was clearly stronger, I know A>B, B>C, doesnt always equal to A>C but a young Obi-Wan managed to beat Maul and he got creamed by Dooku twice when he had far more experiance. So Maul having higher potencial then her doesn't mean much, since her power level is more circumstancial. After that, we will look at Maul and Dooku greatest feats. It's just a reference book with a bunch of random stuff in it. Once one of the most respected members of the Jedi Order, the death of his former Padawan, Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn, as well as the corruption he saw in the Republic left him disil… This means that no matter how much of a connection we had to Dooku in the films, the more committed Star Wars fans will have been fed much more Maul. Shouldn't you extend this courtesy to yourself as well? And? Force - Dooku 10/10. And also refuted. Darth Sidious Vs Darth Vader,Darth Maul,and Count Dooku. Dude, she literally says it in the episode with Mace and Jar Jar. So Maul is stronger than Dooku but weaker than Obi-Wan? He has so much will and hatred, sand while Dooku was smart, Maul had the intelligence to create a massive empire without anyone knowing he was even involved. Talzin restoring maul is also the reason she’s in spirit form now iirc. Let's settle the Maul vs Count Dooku debate( temporarily, since nothing stays settled though) All out, combatants in character but battling seriously, battle takes place on the fields of Dantooine Cite the candidate that wins: 1. To end a poor film with one of the best fighters in Star Wars history cemented Maul’s legacy. Dooku was a defected Jedi who had once been trained by Yoda himself. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on December 17th 2020, 11:18 pm @lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: does lucas acknowledge ben getting less skilled by any chance? Maul focuses on rage and anger, something Dooku doesn't defend well against. Which also explains why Obiwan was even able to fight Anakin. Her stick is that she became powerful by using magic ichor on her planet and stealing energy from other beings. It is from the same Disney Canon you like so much. he mastered what might be the second hardest lightsaber style there is. Dooku knows nothing of Sith or dark side sorcery on his own and Maul not yet learning Force Lightning is irrelevant because in neither continuity is it indicated Sidious delibarately withheld from teaching Force Lightning to him. I'll also happily repeat that the one time Dooku was immediately challenged by Windu, who unlike Maul, took him on head to head...Dooku ran away after blind siding Windu by knocking some battle-droids into him as he went into a pit and fucked off the planet immediately. In fact, the latter’s death was one of the major catalysts that lead Dooku to be completely ensnared by Darth Sidious. Dooku vs. Maul. Count Dooku was Christopher Lee’s take on the dark side of the force, an elderly ex-Jedi capable of impressive lightsaber warfare, but not impressive enough to keep his head. Dooku on the other hand is avoided till close to last or very last if the leader is Phasma. Dooku may be stronger than Maul but that doesn't mean that Maul can't beat him. Because fights always end with the better fighter winning 100% of the time. Darth Maul’s return was a surprise, which turned into a dramatic and important storyline that would continue in Solo and Star Wars: Rebels. Dooku was casually Force-choked by Sidious across the galaxy, and was incapable of doing anything to … Maul's primary abilites are his saber skills, and he loses to a Padawan, whereas Dooku battles Yoda to stalemate. Aug 3, 2020 #5 Does Maul get the high ground? Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on November 15th 2020, 3:41 pm Pre-Suit Vader is literally confirmed to be stronger than any … If he's bloodlusted I'd give it to Maul, who fights harder and better the angrier he is. Force Lightning is the trademark ability of sufficiently powerful Dark Side users, for it's raw, untamed power is a… Yes Anakin could best Dooku in a duel. How is the lightning not relevant? He lost but was taken by surprise. One was old and disfigured and one spent most of his time under a mask, but they were still human. We’re given a lot more time to get to known Count Dooku, with two films and more words spoken in a single sentence than Maul spoke in total. Also double checking the novel, Sidious does get angry *but hides it* from Plagueis when the latter dismisses Maul as nothing more than a hyper efficient weapon to the Grand Plan. 1. Posted by 1 month ago. Oh, there's also a scene there where Plagueis meets Dooku and for a moment he considers replacing Sidious with him. Count Dooku can’t quite compete with the fierceness of Maul’s double-ended lightsaber. Which is just as stupid as them capturing Obiwan or Anakin, yeah, The same Talzin that got disarmed by Sidious in a second and was stated to be. The fight between Yoda and Dooku showed Dooku to be an impressive fighter capable of actions beyond his years, but it was hard to compete with the Maul vs Obi-Wan and Qui-Gonn fight from the end of The Phantom Menace.To end a poor film with one of the best fighters in Star Wars history cemented Maul’s legacy.. 5 COUNT DOOKU WAS THE BEST: He Lived Longer Considering Talzin and Sidious were stuck in a stalemate as they were dueling with Force Lightning and the stalemate between the two never changed even when Maul aided his mother and Dooku supported Sidious. Also even in the RotS novelization when he catches Obi-Wan offguard with a Force-Choke during the duel on the Invisible Hand, the narration directly states had Obi-Wan been fractionally faster he would've defended successfully against Dooku indicating Dooku was nowhere as strong or the gap was as big between him and the Jedi as lead to believe. I don't see how he could win. Re: Darth Vader(ROTJ) vs Count Dooku(ROTS) vs Maul(SoD) on November 17th 2020, 3:56 pm "vader's military power made sedriss and kar vastor shit their pants more than they even shat their pants" - phantom menace. In all seriousness though Kenobi is downplayed a lot, mostly because the Count absolutely tools him whenever they meet. In The Phantom Menace, Darth Maul was technically the main antagonist. Killed Oppress easily enough, and when he got tired of sabers, he had Maul on the ground begging for mercy after he threw him into the wall and the ground. However, the two have very different personalities. Standalone films and television. During the early stages of the creation of Attack of the Clones, Asajj Ventress was created by the art department and considered for the role of the film's Sith antagonist.As Star Wars fans know, this role ended up being filled by Count Dooku. Canon Mace doesn't have as good of a record as the legends versions and he even struggled against bounty hunters. I'm not seeing how my point was refuted here. Maul was a Dathomirian Zabrak and the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith. All out - Dooku 7-8/10. RELATED: Star Wars: Ranking Every Villain Death In The Skywalker Saga. And few seconds later he comes back to kill Talzin. 5 Conclusion Star Wars vs … >dat Force crush on the last Dark Trooper. Dooku however was always expendable and never anything more than a temporary tool before he got Anakin. It pits both Darth Maul and Count Dooku from Star Wars. 1 Description 2 Interlude 3 Pre Fight 4 HERE WE GO! 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